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THE IDEALISTIC HMO: CAN GOOD CARE SURVIVE THE MARKET? Transcript
OPEN:
ANNOUNCER: This program is part of the PBS Democracy Project.
b-roll: ambulance lights/EMT’s tending patient in home:
EMT 1: I understand that you’re having some chest pains?
EMT 2: OK. We’re gonna take your blood pressure here.
LUCA FRESIELLO: I thought it was just a bad dream. I really couldn’t believe
anything could, could happen like that. Really.
EMT 1: And the strap’s gonna to go under your arms.
VALERIE KENNEDY: I’d never been in the hospital. Gee, I was the healthiest,
you know, woman walking around. . .
b-roll: stretcher into ambulance
EMT 3: Let’s go.
VO/OC
JAY LUBBERS: It’s something like falling off a cliff and you don’t know when
you’re going to hit bottom.
Cue music
b-roll: pov - ER hallway
ER Nurse 1: Are you still having chest pains?
ER Doctor: Can you just describe the chest pain
for me? Was it a sharp pain? Was it a dull pain?
NARR: ALL OF US. WE’RE ALL AFRAID OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN
WHEN OUR HEALTH FAILS.
b-roll: pov – ER exam room
ER Doctor: Alright. What’s his vital signs right now?
NARR: WITH SO MUCH AT STAKE, JUST HOW GOOD IS YOUR HEALTH CARE?
ARTHUR LEVIN: Medical errors kill between forty-four thousand and ninety-eight
thousand people a year in the United States.
MIKE McCONNELL: If the insurance company denied anything he could die.
MARK CHIPPS: It’s money. It’s cost over care. Cost over care.
MARK CHASSIN: As a consumer, you’re highly likely
to be the victim of a quality problem, and not know it.
title logo
NARR: CRITICAL CONDITION WITH HEDRICK SMITH
ANNOUNCER: Principal funding for Critical Condition was provided by
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
Making grants to improve the health and health care of all Americans.
Major funding provided by
The California Healthcare Foundation.
Additional funding provided by
The Rockefeller Brothers Fund
And the Charles E. Culpeper Foundation.
Title/bumper
Dip to black
Dissolve to standup
STANDUP: MOST MANAGED CARE COMPANIES, LIKE HUMANA, SELL INSURANCE. THEY DON’T
ACTUALLY PROVIDE HEALTH CARE. THAT’S A FAR CRY FROM THE ORIGINAL NON-PROFIT
HMO’s LIKE KAISER PERMANENTE.
LAUNCHED MORE THAN 50 YEARS AGO BY INDUSTRALIST
HENRY KAISER TO OFFER INEXPENSIVE, PREPAID HEALTH CARE FOR HIS WORKERS, KAISER
STILL TAKES A PIONEERING APPROACH TO HEALTH CARE ...COMBINING DOCTORS, HOSPITALS
AND INSURANCE IN ONE PLAN.
IT WAS BORN AS A RADICAL
EXPERIMENT … A GROUP PRACTICE WITH THE SOCIAL MISSION OF LIFETIME CARE. . .
DOCTORS ON SALARY MAKING THE BIG DECISIONS. A MAJOR PRESENCE IN THE COMMUNITIES
THAT IT SERVES, KAISER IS AN EASY TARGET FOR CRITICS.
home video of World AIDS Day protests:
Protester: I got an HMO. How about you?
Mine is Kaiser. I am screwed. Sound Off. Kaiser kills . . .
NARR: WORLD AIDS DAY. 1995.
SAN FRANCISCO ACTIVISTS PROTEST AGAINST KAISER PERMANENTE, WHICH DOMINATES HEALTH
CARE IN THE CITY.
Vanna Black: And welcome
everybody to the Wheel of Misfortune.
Crowd: Ohhh.
Protester: You lose.
Vanna Black: . . . everyone’s
a loser at Kaiser.
Crowd: Shame, shame, shame
JAY LUBBERS: Kaiser was very behind
the times in the way they dealt with HIV. HIV patients routinely use drugs
that are not yet approved. So one of the problems early on with Kaiser was
Kaiser would not allow any use of drugs other than the standard, approved
drugs.
DAVE MAHON (o/c): The patients
always said, “We don't need what we already know. We need what what's tomorrow.
Because we're gonna die.”
nat sound:
Protester: You took an oath to take care of sick
people. Well, do it!
NARR: MOVING TOO SLOWLY . .
. PLACING BARRIERS TO CARE . . . THESE CRITICS SAW AS COMMON PROBLEMS… NOT ONLY
AT KAISER PERMANENTE, BUT WITH ALL MANAGED CARE. YET THE ACTIVISTS TARGETED
ONLY KAISER.
MAHON: We only picketed Kaiser--not because it
was the worst but because you knew where Kaiser was. It's like the big kid
on the block. If you can bring that kid to his knees, the others are going
to get in line also.
SOKOLOSKI (o/c): Do I think those protests were
effective? Absolutely. I think it slapped Kaiser in the face and I think Kaiser,
uh, stood up to it and said, "Okay. What can we do here?"
b-roll meeting:
Michael Allerton: As Kaiser
members you all have concerns about the system and how things work, whether.
. .
NARR: KAISER REVAMPED ITS HIV
ADVISORY BOARD FOLLOWING THE PROTESTS…. AND AFTER CITY OFFICIALS THREATENED
TO CUT CONTRACTS WITH THE HMO, KAISER INVITED ITS HARSHEST CRITICS TO JOIN THE
BOARD AND GAVE MEMBERS FAR MORE POWER:
Bob Ward: And the fact is we still
have to acknowledge that Kaiser is the only HMO that I know of that’s ever allowed
the members to come in and be part of the process but I also understand like
everything else we have to keep the heat on because they have lots of different
agendas and priorities.
SOKOLOSKI (o/c): I thought, "My God. You know,
here's a chance for me instead--instead of just complaining, you can come in
and, you know, you can make change,
Mahon: It was covered but only in selected
situations . . .
MAHON: To build up that trust really has
taken a long time. The people who are on the board now we work so well with
because we trust them. They trust us. We do not see a dividing line--us versus
them at all. And when we first joined the board it was definitely--it was the
committee, it was us versus them.
DR. DAVID LAWRENCE (o/c): We began to change
from being a rather isolated organization who said basically, I think like most
health care, my way or the highway. You know, this is how we do it. We're
the professionals. Take our voice, et cetera. The AIDS community wouldn't stand
for that. Uh, and they demanded the level of participation and involvement
that was in many ways unprecedented in health care.
b-roll of Follansbee entering Kaiser, walking halls
NARR: IN 1998, KAISER PERMANENTE
STEPPED UP ITS COMMITMENT TO HIV MEMBERS STILL FURTHER BY HIRING TOP SAN FRANCISCO
HIV SPECIALIST, DR. STEPHEN FOLLANSBEE. FOLLANSBEE HAD SPENT HIS FIRST 16 YEARS
AS A DOCTOR IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.
DR. STEVE FOLLANSBEE: In private practice it became
more war-like. I mean there were camps. A medical group here fighting a medical
group there.
nat sound:
Dr. Follansbee: Good morning.
DR. FOLLANSBEE: Physicians within medical groups
fighting over how much money they were going to get paid and the mission of
delivery of care began to get lost.
DR. FOLLANSBEE (o/c): And Kaiser in 1999 is the
closest thing to what private practice was when I started. And wasn't, uh,
when I left.
LUBBERS: If Steve Follansbee were not at Kaiser,
I wouldn’t be at Kaiser.
NARR: FOLLANSBEE WAS SO RESPECTED
THAT WHEN HE CAME TO KAISER, SOME OF HIS PATIENTS FOLLOWED HIM . . . ONE WAS
JAY LUBBERS.
nat sound/b-roll Lubbers:
Lubbers: Thanks
LUBBERS: I was diagnosed in 1987. It’s something
like falling of a cliff and you don’t know when you’re going to hit bottom.”
And, how far am I going to fall? When am I going to hit? You know, that’s always
there. So I’m still in my free fall. Um, and I’m-I’m glad to be there, but
you know, at some point, uh, I’ll hit the bottom.
nat sound: Man: 67 Please.
NARR: ONCE A SKEPTIC ABOUT
THE QUALITY OF KAISER’S CARE, LUBBERS HAS BECOME A BELIEVER.
nat sound:
Kaiser worker: Put this away so
you don’t lose this. Can’t lose those blue cards.
LUBBERS: I get the drugs I need. I get
the care I need. I’d say that Kaiser is, in my experience, outstanding when
it comes to dealing with any given crisis.
b-roll: Lubbers with Follansbee,
getting care, discussing medications
NARR: TO SURVIVE, LUBBERS MUST
MANAGE A MOUNTAIN OF EVER-CHANGING MEDICATIONS.
DR. FOLLANSBEE: One of the things that Abbott wants is the
list of all the drugs that you’ve been on.
LUBBERS: You want to see the medications? Okay.
Okay. Let’s just start here, there’s this. . .
DR. FOLLANSBEE: For the protease inhibitors, the
crixovan, virosept,
LUBBERS: And this. . .
DR. FOLLANSBEE: Retonovir, Afordovase. . .
LUBBERS: And this. . .
DR. FOLLANSBEE: The D-4T, AZT, Abocovir
LUBBERS: All of this.
DR. FOLLANSBEE: DDI, and Imprenovir.
LUBBERS: I don’t even have room for all this stuff.
So I have to stash it over here, so there’s this and this. It just takes up
an enormous amount of space, both emotionally and physically.
SMITH: What kind of cost is there involved in that - for
a year?
DR. FOLLANSBEE: Uh, you know, I don’t know.
SMITH: Rick: But Jay’s list could be running 50,000
bucks a year, plus.
DR. FOLLANSBEE (o/c): Oh, clearly HIV medications now have
um, jumped to the top of the list at this medical center as the class of drugs
most costly to this medical center.
b-roll Lubbers brushing
his dog
Lubbers: Let me get your face, let me get your face.
LUBBERS: It can be extremely um, costly.
Is it worth it? Yes. You know, every day, every hour that I’ve gained … has
meaning to me.
b-roll: With dog-again
Lubbers: What a good doggie
LUBBERS: We have chosen in this country,
to make health care available. And it’s not just HIV. Uh, coronary
bypass operations, breast cancer, um, all different kinds of cancer - they’re
all very expensive diseases to have. Uh, we don’t question that you should proceed
and take of that patient, and it’s the same with HIV.
nat sound:
Dr. Follansbee: Slow breaths.
NARR: BUT INSIDE THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, THE GAME IS TO
AVOID TAKING CARE OF SICK PATIENTS.
nat sound:
Dr. Follansbee: Let me have you lie on your back, looking
up at the ceiling.
DR. LAWRENCE: Now the way, uh, uh, the insurance
industry--and again, I separate Kaiser Permanente from that industry--but the
way the industry is moving, uh, is, uh, to try and find the healthier and healthier
populations to take care of, to cover. Um, it's a different view...
SMITH: You make money because they don't use your
services.
DR. LAWRENCE: Exactly. Well,
now what we do we take care of a lot people. Some very, very healthy, some
very, very sick. And you balance that across your entire membership.
NARR: EVEN THOUGH HIV PATIENTS
COST KAISER FAR MORE THAN THEY PAY IN PREMIUMS, KAISER TOUTED ITS EXPANDED HIV
CARE IN A 1998 AD CAMPAIGN IN SAN FRANCISCO BUS AND SUBWAY STATIONS AND IN GAY
NEWSPAPERS. THE ADS FEATURED MEMBERS OF KAISER’S HIV ADVISORY BOARD, INCLUDING
JOHN SOKOLOSKI:
SOKOLOSKI: It was a big decision for me. It was
really hard. I thought, “Oh, my God. Do I want my picture all over bus shelters?”
But I’m putting something back into the community and I think it helps me and
that’s why I agreed to kind of step out of my, my shell that I had been in and,
and expose myself.
DR. TOM BODENHEIMER: Most health plans would never
do an advertisement, show- saying, "We take good care of HIV," because
they would then get HIV patients who are expensive and they'd lose money on
them.
SMITH: In other settings, in private practice,
with other health plans, do they walk away from or try to minimize their exposure
to expensive HIV patients?
DR. FOLLENSBEE: And the answer is yes. There
was the general sense, and there was discussion in closed doors that there was
indeed redlining. We'll lose money because we'll get too many HIV patients.
SOKOLOSKI: We had some angels within Kaiser, somehow,
somewhere, that blessed us with being able to do something like that ad campaign
--'cause that is unprecedented.
b-roll/nat sound of meeting:
Sokoloski: We’re still working on getting the teen
clinic flyer revised so that . . .
SOKOLOSKI: It boils down to why would anyone care?
Someone did care.
NARR: IN SHORT . . . KAISER WASN’T
SHYING AWAY FROM THESE COSTLY PATIENTS, IT WAS LIVING UP TO ITS SOCIAL MISSION.
AT ITS SAN FRANCISCO FACILITY IT TREATS 1700 HIV AND AIDS PATIENTS, MORE THAN
ANY OTHER PRIVATE INSURER IN THE CITY. AND FOR KAISER, THE AD CAMPAIGN WAS
AIMED AT MORE THAN JUST THOSE PATIENTS:
MAHON (o/c): We weren't promoting it to try and
get new HIV patients but part of it was also "Look what quality care Kaiser
gives to its HIV patients" with the extension being "if we do that
to people who are really sick, you know, we are a good organization because
we're going to take care of the rest of you."
LUBBERS (o/c): You know,
I’ve been dealing with this for a lot of years. I was diagnosed in 1987, um,
and I’ve had many, many friends who passed away from AIDS, so I’m-I’m grateful
for every day.
NARR: FOR JAY LUBBERS THE END
FINALLY CAME IN FEBRUARY . . . HE DIED PEACEFULLY . . . AT HOME . . . SURROUNDED
BY THOSE WHO LOVED HIM.
b-roll: Hannawalt on beach
VIVIAN HANNAWALT: It's wonderful to walk
out here! It's a wonderful way to start your day.
NARR: 68-YEAR-OLD VIVIAN HANNAWALT
HAS BEEN A KAISER MEMBER SINCE THE MID-80S. LAST YEAR, FOR THE FIRST TIME
SHE WENT FOR A COLO-RECTAL SCREENING EXAM.
HANNAWALT: I had no, no symptoms. I had no indication
of any problem.
NARR: THE EXAM DISCOVERED A PRE-CANCEROUS
GROWTH CALLED A POLYP. A SECOND, CLOSER LOOK REVEALED THE WORST: VIVIAN HAD
COLORECTAL CANCER.
HANNAWALT: It’s not something that happens to
you. It’s something that happens to all kinds of other people. It’s not something
that you want to hear.
Dr. Lewis: Take a deep breath. Let it out.
NARR: VIVIAN’S CANCER WAS FOUND THROUGH A COLORECTAL CANCER
SCREENING PROGRAM PIONEERED BY KAISER PERMANENTE IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA A DECADE
AGO. . .
DR JOE SELBY (o/c): The truth is, that back in
1990 very little screening of any kind was going on in most places. It was not
even recommended yet by organizations like the US Preventative Services Task
Force. The reason was there was no proof, there was no scientific proof, that
it saved lives.
NARR: DR. JOE SELBY SPEARHEADED AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW OF
KAISER PATIENT RECORDS TO SEE IF SCREENING WOULD SAVE LIVES.
DR. SELBY: This was one of the few, places by
virtue of its size, by virtue of the data systems that it maintains, and by
virtue of its, uh, unified medical record, it’s one of the few places in the
world where a study like this could have been done.
NARR: KAISER’S BREAKTHROUGH
STUDY SHOWED THAT SCREENING PATIENTS WITH AN INSTRUMENT CALLED A SIGMOIDOSCOPE
CUTS THE DEATH RATE…. GASTRO-ENTEROLOGIST ALBERT PALITZ WAS AN EARLY SUPPORTER
OF THAT PROCEDURE.
SMITH: So this is a little video camera . . .
DR. PALITZ: That’s correct. And the image shows
up on the video screen over there. One of the breakthroughs in colon cancer
screening was the availability of this video technology. We pass the instrument
about 20, 25 inches up inside the colon.
SMITH: And you can spot anything unusual. . .
DR. PALITZ: This is an extremely accurate way to screen the
colon. We are also able to pass instruments through this little channel, to
obtain biopsies, remove polyps. It’s about 10 minutes of discomfort for 10
years of protection.
nat sound:
Nurse: OK. You all right?
NARR: AFTER THE KAISER STUDY, DR. PALITZ HEADED
UP A SMALL TEAM OF FRONTLINE PHYSICIANS AND ANALYSTS WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT KAISER
SHOULD SCREEN ALL LOW-RISK MEMBERS OVER THE AGE OF 50 EVERY TEN YEARS. . .
nat sound:
Nurse: Take a couple of nice easy breaths. We’re
almost done.
NARR: BUT THERE WAS A HITCH.
THE FINANCIAL BENEFITS OF PREVENTING CANCER WOULD NOT CATCH UP WITH THE COSTS
OF THE PROGRAM FOR MANY YEARS:
CATHERINE KEHR: It has a 15-year pay off. Not
one year. Not two years.
NARR: CATHERINE KEHR DID THE
FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR KAISER:
KEHR (o/c): I’ve never had someone say, we can
support a 15-year strategy. And that program is absolutely dead in the red
for the first seven years.
DR. SELBY: The initial investment was about seven
million dollars for space, and scopes, and training. And then there’s a, an
annual investment in personnel of about an additional five million dollars.
nat sound:
Dr. Selby: Even from a cost-effectiveness perspective,
colonoscopy is the way to go.
NARR: THE CHALLENGE FOR DOCTOR SELBY AND THE PALITZ TEAM
WAS TO CONVINCE THEIR PHYSICIAN PEERS ON THE BOARD OF THE PERMANENTE MEDICAL
GROUP TO SPEND THE MONEY.
DR. SELBY: We did a, ah, ah, a sort of a dog and
pony show. We each - I showed them the data . . .
KEHR: There were a couple of actually very thoughtful
questions. And otherwise there was, it was very quiet. And a lot of, ah--quiet
with a lot of nodding heads. And I was thinking, yes!
nat sound:
Dr. Crosson: We’re getting ready to build a system that’s
going to make Kaiser Permanente different.
NARR: DOCTOR JAY
CROSSON WAS ASSOCIATE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PERMANENTE MEDICAL GROUP AT
THE TIME.
DR. CROSSON: There was no question within the partnership
of the health plan, the hospitals, and the medical group that we would do this.
SMITH: The medical evidence says, “This is going
to work,” so the finances be damned?
DR. CROSSON (o/c): Well, you know, we wouldn’t
- we wouldn’t be able to stay in business if we damned the finances on everything.
Uh, but this was so compelling an issue.
nat sound:
Dr. Eulie: Let me, let me just go check and make
sure its not a big problem . . .
NARR: AND SO KAISER SWALLOWED THE PROGRAM’S HEAVY FRONT-END
COSTS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ITS MEMBERS WITH HIGH QUALITY PREVENTIVE CARE FOR
THE LONG-TERM - A RARE DECISION AMONG HMOs.
KEHR: I think it comes back to lifetime commitment
to the member. Kaiser really believes that its members are its members for
life. Other health plans tend to take a shorter view of their patients. Either
they have a one year pay back to share holders or they’re operating on a two
year commitment to their membership because that’s the average member, the average
tenure of membership.
HAL LUFT (o/c): I've been out of Kaiser for 19
years now. Uh, I've been in eight different health plans in California, only
two different doctors, but the health plans keep changing. So what incentive
does a health plan have to invest a lot of money in my care when I may not be
in them anymore, 2 or 3 years from now?
Nat Sound:
Hannawalt: It has healthy habits on top . . .
NARR: KAISER HAS POSTERS REMINDING PATIENTS
OF ROUTINE PREVENTIVE CARE THEY SHOULD BE GETTING, INCLUDING SIGMOIDOSCOPY:
B-roll in corridor
Hannawalt: then there are the screening tests.
. .
NARR: BUT THAT REMINDER WASN’T ENOUGH FOR VIVIAN
HANNAWALT:
HANNAWALT: It’s not something that you kind of court... If
nothing is said about it, you just as soon forget about it, right? Right.
DR. CROSSON: We knew it was not something that
our members - patients - were going to be demanding. We weren’t going to have
protests in the street or people calling up, continually, asking of sigmoidoscopies.
If people were going to be convinced to get sigmoidoscopies, we were going to
have to do it because we were the ones - the doctors - we were the ones who
knew what the evidence was and what had to be done.
NARR: THE PROBLEM FOR HANNAWALT WAS THAT SHE
DID NOT HAVE A REGULAR KAISER DOCTOR – CALLED A PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN…
DR. SELBY: In a system like this, if you don’t
have a primary care physician you’ll not be able to take advantage of most of
the preventive measures that a health maintenance organization offers.
nat sound/b-roll: Hannawalt arriving for doctor’s
appointment:
Hannawalt: I have a chemo appointment at 4 o’clock
NARR: VIVIAN FINALLY SIGNED
UP FOR A PERSONAL DOCTOR WHO MADE SURE SHE GOT HER SIGMOIDOSCOPY. WITH CANCER,
THE TRICK IS FINDING THE DISEASE EARLY.
b-roll in exam room
Dr. Lewis: Hi, how are you doing? Thanks for
waiting.
Hannawalt: What else can I do?
NARR: BUT VIVIAN MISSED THAT
CHANCE, AND BY THE TIME THE CANCER HAD BEEN DISCOVERED IT HAD SPREAD TO HER
LYMPH NODES.
nat sound:
Dr. Lewis: How did you do with the first course
of therapy?
NARR: BRIAN LEWIS IS VIVIAN’S
CANCER DOCTOR.
DR. LEWIS (o/c): If you find something when it’s
at earliest stage, which would be stage A, where it hasn’t really invaded beyond
the lining, the inner lining of the colon or rectum, the cure rate is in excess
of 90%. Once it becomes invasive, once it starts to go into the substance of
the wall of the colon or go into lymph nodes, then the cure rate falls off significantly
. . .
DR. LYLE SHLAGER (o/c): In her case--she's not
the perfect example, in the sense that when we did the sigmoidoscopy we found
a flat polyp.
NARR: DR. LYLE SHLAGER IS THE GASTRO-ENTEROLOGIST WHO
FOUND VIVIAN’S CANCER:
DR. SHLAGER: We did remove it, but it required
surgery because it was invasive cancer with some lymph nodes.
nat sound/b-roll Hannawalt in exam:
Nurse: Go ahead and sit down, please.
DR. SHLAGER: But a year from then it could have
spread a lot more. She could have required a colostomy with a whole removal
of the rectum rather than the surgery that she had--a much bigger surgery.
NARR: IN VIVIAN’S CASE, DELAYS IN HER TREATMENT
MAY HAVE ALLOWED THE CANCER TO SPREAD.
HANNAWALT (o/c): You know, I was told that I should have
a sigmoidoscopy in October. The appointment didn’t happen until April. And
I was told in April that I should have this polyp removed, and that did not
happen until July, which is a, you know, it’s a fair amount of time.
SMITH: Was that a dangerous time for her--too long
a lapse of time?
DR. SHLAGER: Yeah. That's a question that's come
up within the organization to look at it. That's one of the things that happens
with m--with mass screening. Any--when, when people have symptoms they all get
done right away. When we have screening there's always going to be some lag
interval. I think the intervals probably are a little bit longer than we'd
like to have them now, to be quite honest, because we're trying to catch up
our resources with the success of a program.
nat sound/b-roll Hannawalt
receiving treatment:
Nurse: Which side do you want to do today?
Hannawalt: Do you want to start with the left?
NARR: APART FROM THE DELAYS, VIVIAN REMAINS HAPPY WITH
HER CARE AT KAISER AND WITH THE FOUR SPECIALISTS TO WHOM SHE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED
FOR TREATMENT.
Nurse: OK, is your mouth nice and cold?
HANNAWALT: As a lay person, what are you going
to do? You’re just going to go in the Yellow Pages if you have a problem, right?
You know, I think that Kaiser is more able to find good people and hire them
than I am.
DR. SHLAGER: Well,
I think it's one of the few settings where you actually still can take care
of your patients and it's really-- it still is truly physician run.
Nat Sound/B-roll: Dr. Shlager in exam:
Dr. Shlager: Alright, so this is just a screening exam . . .
DR. SHLAGER: If a patient
comes to me and they need something--you can do what you want to do. There's
no--there's no approval process for anything.
NARR: SINCE 1994,
KAISER PERMANENTE HAS SCREENED NEARLY 400,000 MEMBERS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
. . . AN EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN PREVENTIVE CARE:
Nat Sound:
Dr. Shlager: This all
looks great.
DR. SELBY (o/c): So we’re nearly double the rate of screening
of the rest of the California population.
DR. CROSSON: We’ve probably
saved thousands of people who would have died otherwise.
NARR: ONLY TIME WILL
TELL WHETHER VIVIAN HANNAWALT WILL BE ONE OF THOSE WHO WERE SAVED.
nat
sound/b-roll children’s party
Woman: OK, ready, go.
Crowd: Wooooow.
NARR: THESE MAY LOOK LIKE ORDINARY
AMERICAN KIDS, BUT THEY’RE NOT. MOST HAVE DIABETES…A CHRONIC ILLNESS THAT CONSUMES
TEN PERCENT OF ALL U.S. HEALTH CARE DOLLARS AND PLAGUES SIXTEEN MILLION AMERICANS.
Woman: All right, swing.
NARR: …ONE OF THEM IS 12-YEAR-OLD DILLON MOORE
. . . DIAGNOSED FOUR YEARS AGO . . .
DEBBY LYTTLE (o/c): The doctor,
I remember, said, oh boy! That was the first words out of his mouth. Oh boy!
And I knew something was wrong then. . .
DANIEL LYTTLE (o/c): We didn't
know what to do, we didn't know what the next step was for him. Um, it was,
it was terrible.
SMITH: And Dillon, what was it like for you?
DILLON: Scary.
BRENDA EBY (o/c): Their life
has now been just turned topsy turvy. Everything that they knew how to do before
in raising their child has now gone out the door. And now they're like babies.
They need to be taught how do you parent a child with diabetes.
DEBBY LYTTLE: We didn't know what his life ex, expectancy was.
DAN LYTTLE: Right.
DEBBY LYTTLE: Um, what would happen to him, how
to deal with it. We didn't, we really didn't know what it meant to be diabetic.
nat sound/b-roll in exam room:
Dr. Egli: No bumps on your arms or legs anymore?
NARR: DILLON HAS TYPE ONE DIABETES
WHICH MEANS THAT HE MUST CONSTANTLY MONITOR HIS BLOOD SUGAR LEVEL . . . AND
TAKE INSULIN TO MAINTAIN THE PROPER BALANCE. THERE IS NO CURE FOR DIABETES,
SO DILLON HAS HAD TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE HIS DISEASE, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
Dr. Egli: Should we hop down?
NARR: AT KAISER, DILLON IS CARED
FOR BY A TEAM OF MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. EVERY THREE MONTHS AT A MINIMUM, DILLON
GETS A THOROUGH REVIEW FROM NURSE BRENDA EBY… DIETICIAN SCOTT BROWN…AND DOCTOR
CATHERINE EGLI, A SPECIALIST IN PEDIATRIC DIABETES.
DR. EGLI: This represents
our team. And our philosophy, or approach, is that we're all a team. We work
together and Dillon is the center.
NARR. DILLON’S FAMILY JOINED
KAISER IN 1998, WHEN THEY MOVED TO CALIFORNIA FROM CLEVELAND. IN OHIO HE WENT
TO THE PRESTIGIOUS CLEVELAND CLINIC.
DEBBY LYTTLE: We didn't have this kind of care
in Cleveland. There we would go we’d see a different resident every time we
went in. And he did have a, a primary care endocrinologist, but he came in
just for a couple of minutes and then he'd leave. So there wasn't the continuity
of care that there is here.
NARR: WITH A COMPLEX DISEASE
LIKE DIABETES, KAISER PERMANENTE BELIEVES ITS INTEGRATED CARE SYSTEM GIVES IT
A BIG EDGE IN TODAY’S HEALTH MARKET.
LAWRENCE (o/c): We have a myth that we carry around
in our head about Dr. Welby and the individual doctor operating out of his own
office. It's all that sort of thing. That's a chassis, a delivery chassis
that is essentially obsolete.
NARR: TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL FAMILY
DOCTOR LIKE SAN FRANCISCO’S TOM BODENHEIMER. FOR HIM, MANAGED CARE MEANS JUGGLING
THE REGULATIONS OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT HEALTH PLANS, BASICALLY ON HIS OWN.
DR. TOM BODENHEIMER: I get a lot of stuff in the
mail that tells me how to take care of diabetes, how to take care of cholesterol,
how to take care of heart failure, and the stuff is really nice. You know here
is one from Blue Cross. Here is another one from Aetna. Here is one from Cigna.
But the problem is I know all this stuff. I need some help to implement it.
What I could use is someone who is a diabetic expert. It could be a nurse.
It could be a nutritionist.
SMITH: So why don't you hire somebody like that
to come help your staff?
DR. BODENHEIMER (o/c): It's difficult to afford
such a person in a very small office like ours because of the financial pressures
of increasing costs, of personnel and equipment, and reducing reimbursements.
nat sound/b-roll Dillon’s exam:
Nurse: 41 kilograms, OK.
NARR: FOR KAISER, TREATING DIABETES IS VERY COSTLY.
Nurse: 15-0-2. Put your shoes
on.
NARR: EACH YEAR THE HMO SPENDS
THREE-QUARTERS OF A BILLION DOLLARS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ALONE TO TREAT 125,000
DIABETIC MEMBERS.
SMITH: Right, now where’s the
insulin?
DILLON: The clear stuff with the bubbles in it . . .
SMITH: Yeah?
NARR: FOR DILLON, THE SINGLE
MOST COSTLY ITEM HAS BEEN AN INSULIN PUMP THAT FEEDS A STEADY FLOW OF INSULIN
THROUGH A TUBE INTO HIS BODY.
SMITH: Is it easier than shooting the needle in
your arm?
DILLON: Yeah.
DEBBY LYTTLE: OK, Now we’re going to prime it just
a little bit so the insulin for sure is getting in there and he’s ready to go
for a couple of days.
DEBBY LYTTLE: I'll tell everybody, get on the pump
because you can, you can have a life again. Without the pump, when he was on
shots he had to test at a certain time, he had to eat at a certain time. He
had to eat a certain amount. All those things were set. And it had to happen.
SMITH: Like the Army?
DEBBY LYTTLE: Yeah. Sort of! (laughter)
SMITH: Let me ask you. How much does this piece
of equipment cost?
DR. EGLI: The pump itself costs $5,000.
SMITH: Okay. So that's a considerable
investment.
DR EGLI: I would call it an absolutely
great investment.
SMITH: Because?
DR. EGLI: Well, the real costs, I think, of diabetes
are the complications long-term: Renal disease, kidney disease or kidney failure,
dialysis or kidney transplant, uh, heart disease and stroke, blindness. So
the costs of that can be astronomic over years the cost of this is very, very
cost-effective.
DEBBY LYTTLE: Kaiser is, has been terrific. We've
had no, no hassles over what he's needed to have, um, covered. You know, they've
paid for everything that they're supposed to pay for. We couldn't ask for a
better situation.
DANIEL LYTTLE: No, it's fantastic.
NARR: DIABETIC KAISER MEMBER
ROBERTA KUHLMAN DOESN’T USE THE PUMP. INSTEAD SHE MUST GIVE HERSELF SEVERAL
DAILY INJECTIONS OF INSULIN.
nat sound/b-roll
at pre-school
Kuhlman: Should we start setting
up over there?
Voice: Sure.
Kuhlman: OK.
NARR: WHEN SHE DECIDED TO HAVE
A BABY, ROBERTA WORKED WITH A SPECIAL KAISER MATERNITY TEAM FOR DIABETIC WOMEN
. . . A HIGH-RISK GROUP FOR PREGNANCY.
NARR: AFTER SEVEN YEARS OF STRUGGLE, ROBERTA FINALLY GAVE BIRTH TO HER DAUGHTER DARYN THREE YEARS AGO.
nat sound:
Crowd: Happy birthday, dear Daryn, happy birthday to
you.
Kuhlman: Happy birthday.
NARR: AFTERWARD, ROBERTA LEFT
HER JOB AND LOST HER EMPLOYER-PAID HEALTH INSURANCE.
Child: Thank you, Daryn.
NARR: RATHER THAN JOIN HER HUSBAND’S
COMPANY PLAN, ROBERTA OPTED TO PAY FOR KAISER OUT OF HER OWN POCKET.
Kuhlman: There you go Jenna.
KUHLMAN (v/o - o/c): There’s
no way that I wanted to try a new physician or starting to go through some of
these ridiculous things you have to go through for to get approval for drugs
and get approval for this test and that test - which, I don’t ever have to do
when I’m part of Kaiser.
NARR: BUT ROBERTA PAID A STEEP
PRICE TO STAY WITH KAISER. SINCE SHE WAS NO LONGER IN A GROUP PLAN, KAISER DID
NOT COVER HER DRUGS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES OR EQUIPMENT.
nat sound:
Kaiser receptionist: This is your receipt. . .
KUHLMAN: We’re talking $250 a month, just for the
test strips. Um, we then add on $38 for a bottle of insulin and this is only
one kind of the three different kinds of insulin I take I now don’t even have
coverage for my syringes and there’s the $15 co-pay on the office visit and
then there’s the Kaiser fees. A year adds up to about four or five thousand
dollars and that’s not including the other medical expenses we have for my daughter
and my husband.
NARR: BUT ROBERTA WANTED TO GET PREGNANT AGAIN AND SHE
TRUSTED KAISER.
KUHLMAN: Kaiser is worth that much - at
this point in my life, given the chronic disease that I have and given that
I’m trying to get pregnant one more time.
nat sound/b-roll in doctor’s office
Kuhlman: I started feeling low, like yesterday for
instance. . .
DR. ANNE REGENSTEIN: We thought that she would be an excellent
pump candidate.
NARR: WHEN ROBERTA’S DOCTOR,
ANNE REGENSTEIN, RECOMMENDED THAT SHE START USING AN INSULIN PUMP, ROBERTA’S
LIMITED COVERAGE HIT HOME. KAISER WOULD NOT PAY FOR HER PUMP AND THE $5,000
PRICE TAG PUT IT OUT OF HER REACH.
KUHLMAN: I must say that the financial
put the brakes on very quickly for me.
SMITH: Your medical recommendation to her is, “Get
the pump,” and her response is, “I can’t afford it.” So a dollar issue is standing
in the way of a good medical decision?
DR. REGENSTEIN: I think the um, in the difference
here, is we discussed this with her as an option and a possibility and that
it might work better for her….If this were something where she would
really suffer in a major way if she didn’t have it, it could get done.
ANN ALBRIGHT: I think some people think that pumps
are just convenience items.
NARR: KAISER MEMBER ANN ALBRIGHT DIRECTS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA’S
DIABETES CONTROL PROGRAM.
ALBRIGHT (o/c): When you have to live every day with this
disease - no breaks, no vacation - and you have to pay attention to these things
all the time, convenience takes on a whole different meaning. . .
DR. REGENSTEIN: In an ideal
world, would this be covered? Yes. Would a year off um, from work for women?
Yes. Uh, there are many, many things that I wish we could offer our patients.
SMITH: So here you have a patient whose doctor
is recommending she get a pump to manage her disease, but Kaiser, her health
plan, is saying, “We don’t pay for it under individual coverage.”
ALBRIGHT: Right. I-I think the logic in that is
questionable. Um, I’m sure that Kaiser’s response would be that they have a
reason for making that distinction. I think it would be interesting to hear
what that response is.
DR. LAWRENCE (o/c): What you've identified in
that story is the fundamental problem right now in American health insurance
coverage.
nat sound:
Nurse: It’s a little high today, 140 over 68.
DR. LAWRENCE: The marketplace is such now that
the opportunities to provide a social insurance capability where the healthy
are subsidizing the sick that's getting harder and harder to do.
GOLENSKI (o/c): In the past, Kaiser and many other
insurance plans simply subsidized Robertas from the surplus of the large plans.
The large employers refuse to pay that anymore.
DR. LAWRENCE: This is why it's harder and harder in the social, to carry out our social
mission in today's insurance climate.
nat sound: Kuhlman: So long Daryn, we’re
glad you’re here today.
KUHLMAN (v/o): I hope that one day, somehow, I
might be able to get the pump because I do - I do feel it is a better option
for me than what I’m going through now.
STANDUP: AT THE DAWN OF THE
1990, WITH MANAGED CARE SWEEPING THE COUNTRY, KAISER PERMANENTE HAD SEEMED POISED
TO DOMINATE AMERICAN HEALTH CARE. IT WAS NO LONGER AN OUTCAST, ITS GROUP MODEL
AND DOCTORS ON SALARY DERIDED AS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
INSTEAD, IT FACED INTENSE NEW PRESSURES FROM A CUT-THROAT
MARKETPLACE: EMPLOYERS DEMANDING LOWER COSTS AND AGGRESSIVE NEW FOR-PROFIT MANAGED
CARE COMPETITORS OFFERING CHEAPER PREMIUMS.
TO ADAPT, KAISER FELT COMPELLED TO ALTER ITS TIME-TESTED
FORMULA. . . AND IT STUMBLED - BADLY - ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND BACK HOME WHERE
IT BEGAN, ACROSS SAN FRANCISCO BAY IN RICHMOND, CALIFORNIA.
nat sound/b-roll ER:
Paramedic: Ok, one more time.
Patient: Ouch.
NARR: AT THE CENTER OF THE
STORM . . .KAISER’S RICHMOND EMERGENCY ROOM . . .
NARR:
IN 1995, KAISER CHRISTENED A NEW 50 MILLION DOLLAR MEDICAL CENTER IN RICHMOND,
BUT CHOSE ONLY TO RUN A VERY LIMITED, STAND-BY ER
DR. BALDINI (o/c): Let me tell you, it was brutal.
It was very difficult. And our staffing was cut back. And, ah, during the
day shifts we only had one doctor. And, and almost a skeleton nursing crew.
It was, you know, a problem waiting to happen.
nat sound:
Nurse: You’re at Kaiser Richmond Hospital. You’re
going to be here to see a doctor in the ER. OK?
NARR: OPERATING ROOMS AND A MODERN
INTENSIVE CARE UNIT WERE BUILT BUT NEVER OPENED:
DR. BALDINI: This was empty. It just sat empty.
Brand new ICU. Used to always walk by with a tear in our eye. It was, you
know, it just stayed closed. And so anybody who needed that kind of intensive
care, we would stabilize them in the emergency room and then try to find transport
to get them to the closest facility.
NARR: THAT PRACTICE – TRANSFERRING
CRITICALLY ILL PATIENTS TO OTHER HOSPITALS - MAY HAVE PROVEN FATAL FOR 39-YEAR-OLD
WILLA HIVES.
BRELAND: This was Willa. . .
NARR: IN 1997, HIVES DROVE
HERSELF TO THE RICHMOND E-R WITH CHEST PAINS AND WAS TRANSFERRED TO SUMMIT HOSPITAL,
12 MILES AWAY IN OAKLAND. SHE DID NOT SURVIVE THE JOURNEY.
BRELAND: We got there and they just told us she had just died.
NARR: MARGARET BRELAND IS HIVES’S MOTHER.
BRELAND (o/c): I was very upset. I was very discouraged
and upset at Kaiser.
BRELAND: Why would you put all
that money into a new hospital and have it sitting there and then say it’s a
standby hospital?
nat
sound/b-roll in ER:
Whippy: Hi, Mrs. Jones.
DR. WHIPPY: I think the decisions that were made
were made with the patients best interests in mind.
NARR: DR. ALON WHIPPY IS
ASSISTANT PHYSICIAN IN CHIEF AT KAISER RICHMOND.
DR. WHIPPY (o/c): There was a thought that you
could operate a, an emergency department for moderate patients, that would really
meet the community’s needs. And that didn’t work well.
NARR: KAISER’S 1989 DECISION TO REBUILD IN RICHMOND RAN COUNTER TO ITS STRATEGY OF CONCENTRATING SERVICES IN LARGE MEDICAL CENTERS TO IMPROVE QUALITY. WHAT’S MORE, THE RICHMOND OPERATION HAD LONG BEEN A MONEY LOSER THAT SERVED A LARGELY POOR, BLACK COMMUNITY.
DR. LAWRENCE: It doesn't make any economic sense
whatsoever.
SMITH: Why did you build it in the first place?
DR. LAWRENCE (o/c): Well, I made that decision.
There was a very strong emotional and historic tie to the community of Richmond.
It's also an African-American community. And we'd been, uh, champions of diversity
and champions of our social responsibility.
NARR: BUT TAKING THE HIGH ROAD
WAS FAR MORE DIFFICULT FOR KAISER IN THE LOW-BALL MANAGED CARE MARKETPLACE OF
THE 1990S. . . UNDER PRESSURE, DAVID LAWRENCE BROUGHT IN BUSINESS CONSULTANTS
TO REMAKE HIS HMO INTO A TOUGH MARKET COMPETITOR.
DR. LAWRENCE: That was one of the things
that I quite consciously did, beginning in the '90s, early '90s, was to bring
in people from the outside, consultants, uh, experts to help break down the
insularity of Kaiser Permanente that had been built up over 40 or 50 years.
Remember, this was a sleeping giant beginning in the late '80s, early '90s.
NARR: UNDER THE SWAY OF ITS
NEW BUSINESS ADVISORS, KAISER BEGAN TO MIMIC ITS FOR-PROFIT COMPETITORS. GOING
AFTER MARKET SHARE, IT HELD DOWN EMPLOYER PREMIUMS… AND GREW EXPLOSIVELY:
TANYA BEDNARSKI (o/c): I think
Kaiser and their competitors during the mid-1990s had a mantra that bigger is
better and if we have volume, we have efficiencies, um, if we have size, uh,
we have staying power.
NARR: DESPITE MOUNTING ENROLLMENTS,
KAISER LEFT SOME OF ITS NEWLY BUILT FACILITIES UNOPENED, CHOOSING INSTEAD TO
BUY BED SPACE FROM COMPETING HOSPITALS:
BEDNARSKI: There were at least
two, maybe three, that they never opened and they went out and bought beds at
local hospitals and paid retail for them. So they were paying another facility
while they had their own facility sitting there moth-balled.
SMITH: What would impel David Lawrence and the
others around him to depart that much from their own successful formula?
GOLENSKI: The entire culture was
changing radically. There were all these brand new for-profit companies that
were making a killing. So the general atmosphere was one of a business-market
orientation and much less of the old Hippocratic professional commitment to
patients.
b-roll of meeting:
Dr. Lawrence: This decade, the
decade of the 90s, is one of the worst that healthcare has had to deal with.
. .
NARR: IN THE END, KAISER’S
NEW MARKET STRATEGIES WERE A BUST.
Dr. Lawrence: In the first quarter
we lost 101 million dollars…
NARR: IN JUST TWO YEARS, 1997
AND 1998, KAISER LOST MORE THAN HALF A BILLION DOLLARS - ITS FIRST LOSSES IN
50 YEARS.
BEDNARSKI: They went into markets
during the mid-1990s, they were not successful in those markets, they built
facilities, they didn’t open the facilities, um, employers are wondering what’s
Kaiser doing? How are they making these decisions and then in the end, should
we pay for them if they’re not fruitful.
DR. CROSSON (o/c): I can’t damn all business consultants.
But I do believe that the advice - much of the advice - that we received during
that period time...
SMITH: From business consultants?
DR. CROSSON: From business consultants - that was focused
in on um, uh, helping us change our strategy, turned out to be bad advice.
GOLENSKI (o/c): The loss of confidence in Kaiser's
own way of doing business was in my view the most dangerous and the most damaging
decision that was made.
NARR: BLEEDING RED INK, KAISER
FLED MONEY-LOSING REGIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. . .RETREATING TO ITS HISTORIC
ROOTS IN THE WEST AND BACK TO ITS CORE CONCEPTS – TEAM-CARE, DOCTORS IN CHARGE,
LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO PATIENTS:
DR. SHLAGER (o/c): I
think that they realized that the true value of the organization was what they
were, which was really not getting away from the original model.
BEDNARSKI (o/c): They’ve been clearly embarrassed
by their mistakes because they’ve been well-publicized. And they’re now starting
to focus back on what is it that we do very well. And what are the distinguishing
features of our model of healthcare delivery that we can use to our advantage.
DR. LAWRENCE: At the core of it, that idea, that
idea of organized care and integrated care with this patient at the center,
is the principle to which we aspire.
NARR: COMING HOME TO ITS ROOTS MEANT DEALING
WITH OTHER CRISES.
nat
sound/b-roll: ER
Dr.
Baldini: Mrs. Jones, I’ll be right back…
NARR: IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA,
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THREATENED TO CANCEL KAISER’S MEDICARE CONTRACT FOLLOWING
THE DEATHS OF WILLA HIVES AND THREE OTHER PATIENTS TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE RICHMOND
ER.
DR. LAWRENCE: When we had the error in Richmond
I said we blew it. I felt like, you know, this is a wonderful
community. And this is a person who trusted her life with us. And, and we didn’t
respond the right way.
NARR: TO PREVENT FUTURE PROBLEMS,
KAISER CONSIDERED CLOSING THE RICHMOND EMERGENCY ROOM ALTOGETHER.
DR. BALDINI (o/c): This was going to close. I
mean, let me tell you. It was very, very close to closing. Ah, this is the
wave of the future, closing down ER’s. You know, they’re not the most cost-effective
place to mete out care. But you know, for most people that’s all they got,
is the emergency room.
b-roll of Richmond City Council Meeting
Crowd: We hired you, give us our due. We hired you,
give us our due.
Woman: I refuse to go to Oakland Kaiser and I refuse
to go to Kaiser in Walnut Creek. I pay for Kaiser, and I pay for Kaiser in
Richmond.
NARR: KAISER’S IDEA OF CLOSING
THE ER MET FIERCE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION…MANY OF KAISER PERMANENTE’S OWN DOCTORS
AND NURSES JOINED THE PROTEST.
b-roll: meeting
Doctor: We have an obligation
to take care of those people and their chronic illnesses, not just taking care
of the bottom line.
DR. LAWRENCE: It's the dilemma that we always get
into, how do you meet the needs of a community, um, on the one hand, and maintain
standards of quality and superior care that require consolidation?
b-roll of ribbon cutting at
hospital:
Crowd: One, two three.
NARR: DESPITE THOSE CONCERNS, KAISER GAVE IN
TO COMMUNITY DEMANDS. . . EXPANDING EMERGENCY SERVICES BY OPENING THE INTENSIVE
CARE UNIT AND THE OPERATING ROOM.
nat sound/b-roll: hospital tour
Kaiser tour guide: I’ll have everybody come all
the way back. It’s not very often you get to see the internal workings of an
operating room.
Visitor: Right. Take advantage of it.
Kaiser tour guide: * we process –
put together the instrumentation, make sure it’s sterile. And this is a fancy-schmancy
dishwaster. The nurses in the morning open it up and we’re ready to roll.
All right.
Mayor: Impressive. Thank you.
DR. WHIPPY: We have intensive care beds available
on site. We have intensivists, cardiologists, a wide array of support, ah,
personnel that we didn’t have in 1997.
DR. BALDINI: This is a great boon to all of us.
I mean, it’s almost a miracle that they decided to shower all this money on
us and give us all the back up that we, you know, sorely needed.
NARR: TO GET OUT OF THE RED,
KAISER HAS IMPOSED BIG RATE INCREASES FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS . . . SO NOW, KAISER
IS NO LONGER THE LOW-COST HMO. LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, KAISER IS PINNING ITS
HOPES ON WINNING WITH QUALITY, WHERE IT CONSISTENTLY OUTSHINES ITS RIVALS.
DR. LAWRENCE: You can go down the pathway of trying
to improve quality as the way you compete economically, or you can do the cut
and slash kind of model. You have a choice. There's a fork in the road. And
health care delivery systems have to decide which way they're gonna go. We've
chosen to go down the quality path.
nat sound:
Receptionist: Good morning, Pacific Business Group
on Health. How may I direct your call?
NARR: BUT KAISER’S HIGH QUALITY
DOESN’T GUARANTEE BUSINESS SUCCESS. THE PACIFIC BUSINESS GROUP ON HEALTH .
. . A POWERFUL EMPLOYER COALITION IN CALIFORNIA . . . STUDIES AND RATES HEALTH
PLANS. BANKER PAUL FEARER CHAIRS THE GROUP:
SMITH: What health plan in California has a consistently
good record or the best record on the quality of care?
FEARER: I think, if you look at the delivery of
health care in terms of diagnosis of cancer, treatment of heart disease, diabetic
care and so forth, the stand out plan is Kaiser.
NARR: KAISER OUT-PERFORMED ITS
RIVALS, INCLUDING BLUE CROSS OF CALIFORNIA. YET THIS YEAR’S BLUE RIBBON AWARD
WENT TO BLUE CROSS:
FEARER (o/c): Kaiser has moved from one of the lowest
cost plans to one of the higher cost plans. So we don’t just direct people
necessarily to the highest quality plan, we direct them to the highest value
plan.
SMITH: What does it say to people when the Pacific Business
Group on Health has a bunch of health indicators in which Kaiser of Northern
California outranks Blue Cross of California, and yet the blue ribbon award
from that business group goes to Blue Cross?
DR. LAWRENCE: When
that happens, it undermines their own statements about the focus on quality
and I was disappointed when they did that. I was disappointed that they, they,
they put such a heavy emphasis on cost, or price to them, uh, over what apparently
are the objective ratings about quality.
GOLENSKI (o/c): That's why Kaiser is in dire danger,
but much more importantly, that's why the American people are in dire danger
around health care.
SMITH: Can a system with Kaiser's values and priorities
survive in this competitive marketplace?
GOLENSKI: I don't know. Kaiser is the last chance
for a comprehensive non‑profit health system in the country. I don't
know if it will succeed.
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